How to lower a VAZ 2114 correctly
Message by tazmen72 » 07 Jul 2012, 14:33
I’ve been reading the forum for a long time, but I decided to register and ask for advice on undervaluation.
what we have: 2114 with standard suspension, r13 wheels, 175/75 tires
in the future I plan to change the wheels to white forged r15 with tires something like 195/50
you need to lower it without sawing the arches or shuffling your wheels against them.
Which struts with springs are best to buy? Or maybe it’s better to cut the drain, because I don’t need rigidity, but I need a beautiful fit? And is it really possible to do it yourself, is there a lot of hassle in replacing the struts, or should I go to a hundred?
Now I’ll try to find pictures of chepyreks on the Internet with a lowering that I like
Lowering a car (for example, lowering a VAZ ) is one of the most common areas of tuning a VAZ.
The most common solution for novice tuners is to take and cut off several coils of suspension springs. Some manage to do this without even removing the shock absorbers from the car. This approach to undervaluing a car is fundamentally wrong.
By cutting the spring, the support coil, which is made to contact the support cup, is lost. Due to its absence, the spring warps, it flies off the support cup, and the load is distributed unevenly. %product1_l% All this leads to incorrect operation of the spring and its further breakage. By reducing the height of a standard spring, you also increase its stiffness, while the stress in the metal increases and its service life decreases.
A suspension spring is only one element of a car's suspension. When lowering the vases, it is also necessary to select the necessary shock absorbers. There are many types of shock absorbers that are designed to lower a vehicle to suit specific suspension springs. This means that if you want to lower your VAZ by 50 mm, then you will need springs lowered by 50 mm and a set of shock absorbers with modified characteristics designed to lower them by 50 mm. These components cannot be used separately for the reason that the spring must be clamped between the upper and lower cups. If, for example, you decide to install springs with a 50 mm lowering on standard shock absorbers, then the length of the shock absorber rod will be too long, because it is designed for the height of the standard rod. %product2_r% For shock absorbers designed for lowering springs, the length of the rod has been changed to properly fix the spring. In addition, when using springs for large lowering, to reduce the load on the steering, the mounting points for the steering tips have been moved to the racks.
For proper operation of suspension tuning, it is necessary to use a complete suspension kit, which necessarily includes springs and shock absorbers made for them. Our online store offers several options for lowering a VAZ car. %product3_l% Lowering is possible from 20 to 90 mm. When lowered by more than 90 mm, normal suspension operation is almost impossible to achieve.
To ensure the longevity of your suspension, we recommend always using new rebound buffers and all shock rod boots. The support bearings of the front struts also play an important role. Good quality journal bearings can reduce steering force by up to 10%.
In our store you can buy ready-made suspension kits for lowering your car, or assemble them yourself.
What is the danger
As practice shows, reducing the lumen brings more problems than benefits:
- any hole or other unevenness in the road can lead to damage to an important element of the car (engine, exhaust or chassis system). After such tuning, the car becomes a frequent visitor to service stations;
- after the modification, the stiffness of the suspension increases, which is unlikely to please the passengers of the car;
- unskilled work can lead to rapid failure of many elements of the chassis system (primarily shock absorbers).
Answers (2)
It's quite simple. Topics such as how to lower or tune a VAZ 2113, 2114 or any other Russian car have long been known and a lot has been done and written. But nevertheless, you can give some recommendations and give ways on how to do this.
1) Wheels and tires. Choose those wheels that you like and that visually match the color and design of the car. But the most important thing is to comply with the standard parameters, in particular the bolt pattern, which in the VAZ 2113, like other Ladas, is 4X98, the approximate width is up to 6.0 J - otherwise the wheels will stick out, the offset is ET30-40 - if less, then the wheels can also stick out a lot or touch the arches or calipers. The centering hole - TsO 58.5 - if it doesn’t fit, it can be easily solved with spacer rings.
In general, there are a lot of rims for the R15 for the VAZ, and inexpensive ones, on average 2500 rubles per rim costs. Rubber is more expensive. For 15-inch wheels, you need to look for tires with parameters - 195/50 R15 - such summer tires - cost an average of 3,000 rubles. So calculate how much it will turn out: 10,000 rubles wheels + 12,0000 tires + 22,000 rubles. But you can, of course, find used options that will cost much less.
2) Let's move on to the second point, which is important - this is an underestimation. There are many ways to lower it, even to the point of carrying bags of cement in the trunk and in the back row of seats. But let's list the simplest ways:
1) Cut off a couple of turns from the spring. You can easily do such tuning yourself, or in any normal service - they will do such a service for you for 500-1000 rubles. The disadvantages of this method are that you will feel all the bumps very strongly, and stability will not improve
2) Replace the standard springs with sports, shortened ones, which themselves are stiffer, and at the same time, the car will be more stable when cornering and on a straight line. The cost of this approach will be on average 5000-6000 rubles + labor.
3) The most interesting way to lower vases or cans is to install air suspension. It’s expensive, around 20,000 rubles including work, but in your area, and just in the city, you will become the coolest guy thanks to the Vase with air suspension. You can adjust the ground clearance, etc.
As for tinting, everything is simple. You stop by any tinting shop and for 2000-2500 rubles they will tint your windows. I do not recommend tinting the windshield and front side windows, as this may result in a fine and removal of license plates. Oh, and by the way, recently it has become fashionable among fans of the Russian automobile industry not to tint the windows at all - to drive like in an aquarium.
How to lower a VAZ 2114 with your own hands
Recently, there has been a tendency among young people to undervalue their cars. As they say: “A low pelvis is pleasing to the eye!” I’ll say right away that if you decide to lower your VAZ, you can do this in several ways, but the easiest and cheapest is to cut the springs. But, I want to warn you that on bumps it will not be very pleasant, due to the fact that all the impacts will go to the bump stops, the spring will not smooth them out much. If this doesn’t stop you, as in principle it doesn’t stop me, then this article is for you And this article is also for those who don’t like the fact that the back of the VAZ 2110 is much higher than the front. To level them, you can cut off just a couple of turns - this will not affect the behavior of the car.
Symptoms of a problem
Which springs are better to install on VAZ 2114 and 2115 in case of malfunction. First you need to decide in what cases this is required. The most common reason for replacement is breakdowns. The malfunction can be identified by the following signs:
- The machine is skewed in any direction. Often the cause is broken turns;
- Upon inspection, mechanical damage is visible;
- The car rocks, and quite sharply.
In case of any such problem, it is necessary to promptly replace the part. If this is not done, you will have problems driving the car. Also, do not forget to change the springs in pairs. When installing new springs from another manufacturer, it is recommended to do this in a circle.
Lowering options
1. Buy a ready-made suspension kit. It includes: springs, struts, etc. This is the simplest, most convenient and expensive option, replacing almost the entire suspension at once. It will cost from 12,000+ rubles. This is the safest option, especially if you get quality parts and install everything correctly. If you choose this option, then do not forget about the wheel alignment.
2. The best option is to replace only springs with a smaller turn stroke. This will lower your car and add rigidity, without any harmful consequences for the car. You can also just buy a regular spring, but stiffer and lower. The range of prices is huge, but from about 3k rubles.
3. There is an option to move the spring cup down. But here you are playing the lottery, since it is very dangerous to do it yourself. - You may weld poorly - The stand is not guaranteed to be able to withstand high temperatures during welding. But don’t be discouraged, such racks are sold ready-made.
4. Cutting springs. Most people simply cut the coils off the spring. And this should not be done under any circumstances! In this case, the stroke of the rod decreases and when it gets into a hole, the strut does not have enough free play and it hits the body. Also, a sawn spring can become warped and it will also hit the body and spoil the suspension. Has proven itself to be excellent.
Installation of lower springs
Installation of lower springs. If you do not want to cut existing springs, you can buy new products that have a lower height (such springs are often called sports springs).
Their main difference is the height, which is four centimeters less than in standard models.
If you want to save money, then you can lower the suspension this way without outside help. If in doubt, it is better to contact specialists in this matter. Moreover, the alignment will still have to be done.
The advantage of this method is its comparative simplicity and the ability to quickly return everything to its place (install old springs). Another advantage of sports springs is that they have greater rigidity and do not sag as much as standard (hand-shortened) products.
The disadvantage is the cost of purchasing new springs, as well as increasing the overall rigidity of the car. But with this type of tuning this is a common occurrence.
How to lower a VAZ 2114 correctly
Post by tazmen72 » 07 Jul 2012, 14:33
I've been reading the forum for a long time, but I decided to register and ask for advice on undervaluation.
what we have: 2114 with standard suspension, r13 wheels, 175/75 tires
in the future I plan to change the wheels to white forged r15 with tires something like 195/50
you need to lower it without sawing the arches or shuffling your wheels against them.
Which struts with springs are best to buy? Or maybe it’s better to cut the drain, because I don’t need rigidity, but I need a beautiful fit? And is it really possible to do it yourself, is there a lot of hassle in replacing the struts, or should I go to a hundred?
Now I’ll try to find pictures of chepyreks on the Internet with a lowering that I like
Lowering a car (for example, lowering a VAZ ) is one of the most common areas of tuning a VAZ.
The most common solution for novice tuners is to take and cut off several coils of suspension springs. Some manage to do this without even removing the shock absorbers from the car. This approach to undervaluing a car is fundamentally wrong.
By cutting the spring, the support coil, which is made to contact the support cup, is lost. Due to its absence, the spring warps, it flies off the support cup, and the load is distributed unevenly. %product1_l% All this leads to incorrect operation of the spring and its further breakage. By reducing the height of a standard spring, you also increase its stiffness, while the stress in the metal increases and its service life decreases.
A suspension spring is only one element of a car's suspension. When lowering the vases, it is also necessary to select the necessary shock absorbers. There are many types of shock absorbers that are designed to lower a vehicle to suit specific suspension springs. This means that if you want to lower your VAZ by 50 mm, then you will need springs lowered by 50 mm and a set of shock absorbers with modified characteristics designed to lower them by 50 mm. These components cannot be used separately for the reason that the spring must be clamped between the upper and lower cups. If, for example, you decide to install springs with a 50 mm lowering on standard shock absorbers, then the length of the shock absorber rod will be too long, because it is designed for the height of the standard rod. %product2_r% For shock absorbers designed for lowering springs, the length of the rod has been changed to properly fix the spring. In addition, when using springs for large lowering, to reduce the load on the steering, the mounting points for the steering tips have been moved to the racks.
For proper operation of suspension tuning, it is necessary to use a complete suspension kit, which necessarily includes springs and shock absorbers made for them. Our online store offers several options for lowering a VAZ car. %product3_l% Lowering is possible from 20 to 90 mm. When lowered by more than 90 mm, normal suspension operation is almost impossible to achieve.
To ensure the longevity of your suspension, we recommend always using new rebound buffers and all shock rod boots. The support bearings of the front struts also play an important role. Good quality journal bearings can reduce steering force by up to 10%.
In our store you can buy ready-made suspension kits for lowering your car, or assemble them yourself.
Shortening springs
Shortening springs. This method is in demand for one simple reason - it is the most budget-friendly.
You can do this work yourself or safely entrust it to a novice car mechanic.
There is nothing complicated here. All you need is a jack, pry bars and a metal file (preferably a grinder).
You can reduce the size of the spring with or without installing the spring (here everyone chooses for themselves).
In this case, the front and rear springs are shortened by a different number of upper turns (by two and three, respectively).
This trick is due to the need to balance the car, because the front one (which is quite logical) has much more weight. After shortening the springs, wheel alignment is required.
The advantage of the spring shortening method is minimal costs.
Disadvantages - increased suspension rigidity and a high risk of breaking the shortened spring and shock absorber.
Answers (2)
It's quite simple. Topics such as how to lower or tune a VAZ 2113, 2114 or any other Russian car have long been known and a lot has been done and written. But nevertheless, you can give some recommendations and give ways on how to do this.
1) Wheels and tires. Choose those wheels that you like and that visually match the color and design of the car. But the most important thing is to comply with the standard parameters, in particular the bolt pattern, which in the VAZ 2113, like other Ladas, is 4X98, the approximate width is up to 6.0 J - otherwise the wheels will stick out, the offset is ET30-40 - if less, then the wheels can also stick out a lot or touch the arches or calipers. The centering hole - TsO 58.5 - if it doesn’t fit, it can be easily solved with spacer rings.
In general, there are a lot of rims for the R15 for the VAZ, and inexpensive ones, on average 2500 rubles per rim costs. Rubber is more expensive. For 15-inch wheels, you need to look for tires with parameters - 195/50 R15 - such summer tires - cost an average of 3,000 rubles. So calculate how much it will turn out: 10,000 rubles wheels + 12,0000 tires + 22,000 rubles. But you can, of course, find used options that will cost much less.
2) Let's move on to the second point, which is important - this is an underestimation. There are many ways to lower it, even to the point of carrying bags of cement in the trunk and in the back row of seats. But let's list the simplest ways:
1) Cut off a couple of turns from the spring. You can easily do such tuning yourself, or in any normal service - they will do such a service for you for 500-1000 rubles. The disadvantages of this method are that you will feel all the bumps very strongly, and stability will not improve
2) Replace the standard springs with sports, shortened ones, which themselves are stiffer, and at the same time, the car will be more stable when cornering and on a straight line. The cost of this approach will be on average 5000-6000 rubles + labor.
3) The most interesting way to lower vases or cans is to install air suspension. It’s expensive, around 20,000 rubles including work, but in your area, and just in the city, you will become the coolest guy thanks to the Vase with air suspension. You can adjust the ground clearance, etc.
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