Lada Vesta jerks when accelerating hot and the check light comes on

Even the most avid Lada Vesta fan has to admit: the dynamics of this model are so-so. Especially if we are talking about a heavier station wagon, and even in the Cross version with larger wheels. Therefore, the topic of chip tuning is popular among newsmakers. Well, we took the opportunity to talk with owners of cars with 1.6 and 1.8 engines with Russian Racing Technology firmware, and also tried them out!

We did it according to the logs, then to the stand

And here’s how Vladimir himself describes this process on his social network page:

Upon arrival at the stand we had 111 hp. on the firmware, which was debugged on the road using logs. The work at the stand lasted about three hours, where the mixture was rolled out with the ShDC to the ideal in power mode, a lot of work was done with the ignition angle, and after 13-15 measurements we reached 115 hp. and 162 Nm. But it was too early to rush to conclusions; we decided to ride around 1000 km. The result after tuning at the stand on 10/06/2018: the car drove more than 1,200 km until 10/09/2018, a repeat measurement was made, where the numbers remained unchanged, which indicates that the torque model was correctly configured and that the solution can be used in series.”

"Spider" decides?

Heaven and earth

More recent Vestas with a 1.8-liter engine have received updated firmware in which these shortcomings are eliminated. If so, it would not interfere with early copies.

However, here is a gray car, purchased in the summer of 2022, it already has a new “square” ramp and what seems to be a new factory program. But even this car drove completely differently after reflashing!

At the stand, this particular car showed 137.2 hp. and 182.1 Nm (however, even before the firmware on the same stand, the car produced 136.2 hp and 175.5 Nm, which is higher than the factory values). And now the owners are already discussing with me the prospects of installing, say, an intake from a 145-horsepower Vesta Sport. Something tells me that in a year or two many interesting technical solutions will appear for the 1.8-liter engine...

I'm wondering if they are afraid of losing the warranty if the "chip" is discovered.

Our verdict

There are no miracles: without interfering with the hardware, you can’t squeeze much out of a naturally-aspirated engine through firmware alone. Nevertheless, in transitional modes the character of the engines has become more pleasant, this is especially noticeable in the 1.8-liter version, which, on the “alternative” firmware, is much more elastic in the low and medium speed zone. The 1.6-liter engine, although it has become subjectively “more fun,” still prefers to work at the “top”. As for replacing the standard catalytic collector with a “spider” one, taking into account the deterioration of environmental characteristics and acoustic comfort, this option is justified only in the case of building a serious tuning project or a sports car, where it is impossible to live without such a collector. But for everyday driving this is already too much.

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The main disappointment in the car: A motorist spoke about the problems with the 1.6 106 hp engine in the LADA Vesta

The VAZ engine is the anchor that prevents Vesta from becoming a modern car.

Photo: LADA Vesta 1.6, source: m.auto.ru

The main complaint about the 1.6-liter VAZ-21129 engine with a power of 106 horsepower, designed and assembled by AvtoVAZ, is its archaic nature. This opinion was shared by a motorist on the YouTube channel “LADA Vesta Blog” after 4 years of ownership. But even this LADA Vesta has its advantages.

Archaic and problematic “129th”

Because of this, car owners have to face a lot of problems:

New LADA Vesta FL 2021-2022: What is known about restyling today

LED optics, a tablet a la Tesla in the cabin and a more powerful engine - these are the innovations the updated Vesta will boast. The platform and overall design have not changed, but many cosmetic ones have appeared.

Among the advantages of the “anchor”, motorists note its reliability, provided that the oil, filters and timing kit are changed in a timely manner. The engine surprises with its service life, reaching 300-400 thousand km without capital. The maintainability, simplicity and low cost of servicing the unit is enviable.

The engine lends itself perfectly to “chipping” and boosting up to 130-150 “horses”, if you want to “experiment”.

Photo: Exterior, interior and engine of LADA Vesta 1.6 AMT, source: YouTube and LADA

However, the “newsman” noted that now, having experienced all the shortcomings of the “archaic” engine, he would take the Vesta with a 1.6-liter 113-horsepower unit from Renault paired with a CVT.

In addition, the constant “tugging” of the manual transmission lever is a thing of the last century; even the “blunting robot” is more progressive and provides more comfort than the “handle”.

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Lada Vesta jerks during acceleration, dips. There is a solution

Regardless of which engine is installed on the Lada Vesta, 1.6-liter (VAZ 21129) or 1.8-liter (VAZ 21179), each of them is controlled by electronic systems. Incorrect operation in transient modes, or more simply jerking, dips, jerks during start-up and acceleration, jerks when shifting gears can occur for various reasons. Fuel pressure is often not taken into account.

Check and test

I removed the lower fitting of the adsorber valve, the plug with wires. I applied 12 volts to the valve and it opened. When I removed the throttle, I plugged the hole on the back side. He took a cigarette and lit it. When the valve was open, I blew into it. With my other hand I blocked the second channel into the intake manifold. What do you think happened? Smoke came out of the hole.

As a result, I concluded that the connections of the tube going from the valve to the intake manifold were leaking. Therefore, air is sucked in in a large volume. Everything below the canister valve does not need to be sealed. This does not affect the operation of the Lada Vesta engine, since air flows freely into the adsorber through the white fungus.

Why does the Lada Vesta twitch, symptoms

Loss of power and even jerks when changing gears may well not be assessed very objectively. For example, with a manual transmission, an inept driver can shift in such a way that passengers feel overloads of 4g. But that's not what we're talking about now.

Failures in the operation of VAZ 21129 (1.6 l) and VAZ 21179 (1.8 l) cannot be called a generic disease, but the problem occurs quite often. However, symptoms of incorrect engine operation in transient modes can tell the mechanic a lot. And there are enough symptoms:

As you can see, there are enough symptoms and they are somewhat different, but the essence of the problem is the same - Vesta twitches, the engine runs rough.

How to troubleshoot

All that matters to us is the ill-fated pipe in question.

The order of my actions (step by step instructions):

1. I removed the wallpaper from the ends of the tube.
2. I measured the diameter of the inlet pipe with a caliper: it turned out to be 8 mm.

Kits are sold by different manufacturers, and the sizes of sealing rubber bands may vary. Therefore, if you use a ring that is too thick, you may break the plastic fitting. The place where the latch is attached may also break off. I am not imposing this procedure on anyone, use the advice at your own responsibility. But it helped me solve the problem.

I tried to put the elastic band on the pipe - it stood up like a native one! Maybe AvtoVAZ forgot to install them. Of course, they are not oil resistant, but in this case this will not matter. I put the fitting on top and it was a little loose. I put on the second ring - also rather weak. Then he put on the third one.

After that I put the fitting on tightly, it turned out very tight. From the other end of the tube I performed similar procedures. Now nothing is loose. I installed a decorative engine cover.

Jerks, jerking of Lada Vesta and pressure in the fuel rail

Tired spark plugs, decrepit high-voltage wires, cracks in the corrugation of the intake manifold - all this can be checked and replaced simply. And immediately evaluate the result. However, in most cases, Lada Vesta owners complain that such manipulations are useless.

General diagram of the Lada Vesta fuel system. 1 – fuel rail; 2, 3, 4, 5 – fuel line; 6 – fuel module; 7 – gas tank.

The problem with VAZ engines 21129 and 21179 is insufficient pressure in the fuel rail . Here's the thing. Everyone knows that the path of gasoline from the gas tank to the cylinders looks like this:

In short, yes. We pay special attention to the second point of this list.

There are nuances here, since for a 1.8-liter engine the normal fuel pressure in the rail is 3.80 atm, and for a 1.6-liter engine it is 3.50 atm.

Cases have been observed where the wrong pressure regulators were installed from the factory in the fuel modules for both engines; the maximum that could be obtained from measurements was 3.60 atm in the ramp.

Naturally, with such pressure there is no way to talk about any correct work. And this is an even better option. In some cases, the pressure regulator made it possible to maintain only 2.7-2.85 atm at idle. Hence the dips and jerking when accelerating.

A pressure of 3.5 bar is generally considered normal, according to officials.

The right way

Finally, they gave me some good advice: check the tube between the canister valve and the intake manifold. In fact, a large vacuum is created in the starting system. If there is air leaks in the tubes, the fuel mixture will become lean. As a result, the engine will jerk.

I checked the fitting of this tube at the entrance to the manifold - it was loose.

At the second end of the hose, the same thing happens - the fitting moves and is not seated tightly.

The adsorber itself, which is made in the form of a white fungus (visible below in the photo), sucks air from the atmosphere. Due to the vacuum in the intake manifold, gasoline vapors are sucked into the intake system through the canister ventilation valve.

There is a green rubber ring installed in the fitting. It should seal the connection well. To check the quality of the seal, we had to conduct an experiment.

How to increase the pressure in the fuel system of Lada Vesta to normal

If we are sure that the injectors are working correctly and they are clean, and the fuel pump is able to create the necessary pressure, then all the blame for the current situation with failures and jerking lies only with the pressure regulator. Here he is.

The hero of today's celebration is the fuel pressure regulator (FPR).

There are two options - either replace the pressure regulator with a new one at 3.8 atm, or improve the old one at your own risk. Oddly enough, the last option gives the best results.

First, let's buy a new regulator and install it in place. This is done simply, but not too quickly ( we figured out how to remove the Lada Vesta fuel module here ):

If the replacement did not give anything (the pressure in the ramp did not increase, it remained at 3.50 atm), we will try to modernize the old regulator.

The regulator has a very simple design - it is a valve in a housing, loaded by a spring with a calculated force. The spring must create such a force that the valve opens no earlier than the electric fuel pump creates a pressure of 3.80 bar.

The force of the spring on the valve is regulated by the depth of the recess in the lower part of the regulator.

The depth of the standard recess is about 3 mm.

To increase the force (thereby forcing the valve to open a little later and provide higher pressure), it is enough to carefully shrink the central part of the bottom of the regulator body by a few millimeters.

To do this, we use available tools - a long bolt with a rounded end on sandpaper, a strong washer of suitable diameter, a vice and a hammer. As a rule, the recess depth of a standard regulator is no more than 3 mm.

We install the RTD on a vice through a spacer made of a washer and with a light, precise blow we seat the bottom a few more millimeters.

Ready. You can check the results of modifications to the fuel pressure regulator by measuring the pressure in the rail or simply by going for a test drive.

In most cases, such a modification eliminates jerks during acceleration, allows you to save a little fuel (this can be seen by the instantaneous consumption on the BC display) and solves the problem with failures in transient engine operating modes and in maximum power modes.

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Inoperative turn signal repeaters

LED turn signal repeaters in mirror housings turned out to be unreliable. At first they were leaky and were killed by moisture getting inside. Then they began to die completely and immediately, without the help of water. Failures are recognized as covered by warranty without any problems. Now her treatment is much simpler than in the early years of West's graduation. Then we had to wait for the delivery of assembled mirrors, already painted in the color of the body: long, expensive and stupid. Now only the optical element itself is changed. Owners of out-of-warranty cars need not worry: it retails for about 500 rubles.

Let's improve the characteristics of Lada Vesta

Do you want to enjoy the traction of your car? Is it frustrating that your car hesitates when you press the gas pedal? Not enough engine? Overclocking is frustrating? Is there something holding the car by the rear? Does the car jerk when changing gears? Not enough driving comfort? Do you want to spend less?

There is an effective solution for you. This solution is not for racing! It is for those who want to feel confident behind the wheel and enjoy driving.

The car moves due to engine speed and torque. I do it so that the torque increases traction at low speeds . Due to this, for example, acceleration dynamics increase , thoughtfulness disappears , or the effect when the engine roars but the car does not move. All the advantages are below.

Hello!

For the eleventh year , I have been mechanically removing dips and dullness from cars. Including the Lada Vesta, I increase power in the range from 1000 to 2500 engine speeds mechanically . The result of the mechanical modification can be seen in the video using the example of a Lada Vesta with engine 21129 1.6l.

In the video, the client shares his feelings about how his car drives after modifications.

* One-time service, for the entire life of the vehicle. Without interfering with the engine and electronics . No loss of warranty. A guarantee for the result is given.

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1 Topic by Axel 2016-01-27 14:51:44

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Topic: Gas pedal failure Lada Vesta

The first “glitch” appeared on about the third day - the gas pedal did not work! I stopped, turned it off, then started it again and everything became normal... I gave the car to my father and he had the same problem. I didn’t contact the dealer because I was away on a business trip...

The most interesting things began after my arrival. So I pulled the car out of the garage, drove to the village (15-20 km) and on the way back the same story - I press the pedal and there is zero emotion! I stopped, turned it off, started moving again and after 50 meters the same story... Somehow I made it to the parking lot of a local store. There the story became even more fun. I started the car and at idle it began to shake, the revolutions began to drop to 500, then the car stalled. I had to take it to the dealer with a tow truck.

At the service center, Vesta started up without any problems and everything was fine. I drove around the city with the master, who until recently did not understand what kind of problems I had. However, after a kilometer and a half, history repeated itself. Here the master himself got behind the wheel and felt the problem. The car had to be pulled back to the dealers by a cable.

There, after about an hour and a half or two hours of waiting, I was informed that all systems were normal and no errors had been identified. Let's go for a ride again. This time, it’s not clear why, everything was fine. They said the problem was only in gasoline... But what about gasoline?! I only refuel with Lukoil and Rosneft 95 gasoline...

In general, they sent me home until the next breakdown, without returning the money spent on a tow truck... But how to drive?! Imagine if you need to avoid a collision or if you overtake a truck on the highway and the gas stops... It’s somehow scary...

They say that this is the first case noticed, but maybe someone had something similar? Share - I will be glad!

2 Reply from Ronnikkee 2016-01-27 15:28:27

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Re: Gas pedal failure Lada Vesta

They said the problem was only in gasoline... But what about gasoline?! I only refuel with Lukoil and Rosneft 95 gasoline...

Judging by the sign it looks like gasoline. And refueling here does not mean that the gasoline is of high quality, anything can happen.

In general, they sent me home until the next breakdown, without returning the money spent on the tow truck...

If it happens again with other gasoline, then the problem will still be diagnosed and the money will be returned, maybe)

What is the technology

To increase power and reduce fuel consumption, using technology and license from Gadgetman Technologies, grooves of special geometry are mechanically made near the throttle valve, which changes the physics of air flow.
The car's throttle is precisely the component that prevents you from truly knowing how your car can actually drive! What is the throttle in a car? What is the throttle in a car?

In Russia, this technology is called MD-tuning. In the future “ Pro MD tuning ”. Pro MD tuning is professional tuning or modification of the car throttle. MD comes from the words modernization D Rossel .

Changes in air characteristics cannot in any way negatively affect the engine . But it perfectly increases engine power at low and medium speeds and reduces fuel consumption. And all this without interfering with the engine and electronics (ECU).

This technology allows for better mixing of gasoline and air vapors. Chip tuning cannot do this !

Drops of gasoline do not burn, but are thrown into the exhaust pipe. This is somewhere around 25-30% according to science. And this is 250-300 rubles. from every thousand spent on gasoline. Special grooves in the throttle valve create differences in air pressure and drops of gasoline turn into vapor. As a result, the fuel burns more completely. Therefore, our improvements pay for themselves

* The service is reversible . You are given time to “try it out” and a money back guarantee if you don’t like it. Modifying the throttle does not require additional intervention in the vehicle's ECU. The service is provided on the basis of a license agreement using special equipment.

The result of our work is expressed as follows:

In 90% of cases, the full effect does not appear immediately. You need to drive an average of 250 km for the ECU to retrain on a car with an injection engine. Therefore, a guarantee is given to return the unit to its original condition and return money if the result is not satisfactory. The disadvantages include changing the habit of pressing the gas pedal (accelerator). You will need to learn not to put too much pressure on the gas, since the car already drives fine, regardless of whether you press on the gas or not. Retraining takes from 15 minutes. As an example, look at how a regular Chevrolet Niva drives at idle.

* Refinement of the throttle does not require additional intervention in the vehicle's ECU. The service is provided on the basis of a license agreement using special equipment.

When fuel combustion improves, the car's power and traction at low speeds increases. Because more energy goes into work and torque in the range of 1000-3000 rpm.

What gives power at low speeds?

Sometimes the emotions of clients are like this (the first sensations and emotions on the Lada Largus 1.6l (internal combustion engine VAZ-21129) after the service in the video):

Operating principle of the electronic pedal

A gearbox, an electric motor and two sensors are built into the throttle body. The electric motor turns the throttle valve through a gearbox, and its position is monitored by two sensors.

The electronic gas pedal is a plastic lever, and two sensors are installed in the bracket. All elements are a single structure (gas pedal module). The sensors are potentiometers, the moving contact of which is rigidly connected to the rotary axis of the pedal lever.

electronic gas pedal Lada Priora, Granta, Kalina, Vesta electronic gas pedal Lada Priora, Granta, Kalina

The electronic control unit (ECU) continuously monitors the pedal position based on sensor signals. Based on these parameters, the ECU sends control commands to the throttle gearbox and to the fuel injectors.

Several reviews on other cars

UAZ Patriot , 2.7 l., 2009 It became easy to move and accelerate. Especially for maneuverability. Became like a good foreign car. The car is unrecognizable, it rolls in such a way that it is not inferior to any foreign car. I like to ride. Alexander

The first impressions of car owners after the service on a UAZ Patriot.

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Good afternoon Vladislav. Today I received a parcel with a throttle and immediately installed the unit. The car is unrecognizable. The Volga , weighing 1.8 tons, tears from a stop with slipping through our mountains , where it used to go in 3-4 gears, now it is free in 5th and is still accelerating . At the old node the speed is 90 km. accelerated at 3000-3300rpm. Now 2000-2300rpm. It's fun to overtake, there's no need to switch to a lower gear . And at the same time I barely press the gas pedal. So far I'm very pleased with the result.

Sincerely, Valentin Borzov (Sevastopol)

The first sensations of the car owner after the service on the Mitsubishi Pajero-4 manual transmission 3l.

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Reviews on various forums

The throttle assembly has been modified. From service to home I really enjoyed the ride. No more pressing on the pedal. Just put your foot down and the car GOES. At the bottom he boldly undermines. The deep, blunt hole disappeared when the speed increased from 70 to 100 km/h. And consumption has dropped further, by 0.5 liters so far. Thank you so much for a job well done. Super. After modifications, the car actually DRIVES even with air conditioning!

Where do the savings come from?

A four-cylinder engine makes four strokes in one full cycle. On the first stroke, fuel is always supplied. A modified throttle makes the fuel mixture better. Due to which it burns better. Because of this, the engine torque increases. And the car becomes more dynamic at low speeds. After a short dynamic acceleration, switch to a higher gear. Due to this, the speed is reduced. And the number of first measures decreases. That is, less fuel is supplied. On some cars, the ECU also reduces the amount of fuel supplied.

Questions and answers

How did you come up with this?

I didn't invent the technology. I'm just a copyright holder. And I bring the technology to mind.

How long have you been doing this?

This is my eleventh year of professionally improving the performance of cars using mechanical modifications of the throttle. I'm not deceiving anyone and I'm not running from anyone. Deceiving people is not my specialty, and deceiving is more expensive for myself. I guarantee my work. The described changes in cars are recorded from the words of customers.

What cars have throttle modifications done on them?

Modification of the throttle is done for gasoline (injection, carburetor) engines. We use other technologies for diesel engines.

How much will the engine power increase after modifying the throttle?

The engine produces maximum power at high speeds of 4000-7000 rpm, depending on the engine. This is the indicator that is written in your documents. At low and medium speeds the engine does not produce maximum power. Using this technology, I increase power at low speeds and partly at medium speeds. And this indicator does not in any way affect the maximum engine power. Therefore, the horses remain, and traction at low speeds increases.

How can modifications to the throttle affect engine life?

Positively! The less fuel is burned, the less soot and coking of pistons and piston rings is formed. The absence of carbon deposits does not lead to other ensuing problems with the engine. It also extends the life of the car’s catalyst, if it still has one. Because unburned gasoline does not burn out in the catalyst. After modifying the throttle, you start driving at lower speeds. Fewer revolutions reduce wear on engine rubbing parts. Thus, the motor life of the engine increases.

Why don't manufacturers immediately modify the throttle?

Why don’t manufacturers immediately do what the market offers to improve cars?!

Firstly, the technology is young. Secondly, the manufacturer puts into the car what the market offers. Bosch holds the lion's share of the electrical market. Therefore, this modification must be done by Bosch. Thirdly, there is information that this technology was bought by Toyota and BMW. It is possible that new car models from these manufacturers will already have this modification.

* You can see the rest of the answers to the questions at the link »» at the link »»

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Terms of service

The knot itself can be removed anywhere. This can be done in the garage. But usually, the unit is removed near the client’s entrance. We remove the knot. Let's go home. Sharpening. We take it out, install it, check it. You don't have to drive across the city, stand in traffic jams, etc. You save a lot of time and nerves.

If you have the opportunity and your superiors, we can provide the service right at your place of work. You can drive home from work with pleasure from the way your car drives. The service can also be provided with travel to nearby settlements from the city, which can be reached by bus or train. In this case, transportation costs are added to the cost of the service. In any case, these expenses will cost you less than your arrival. You can save on transportation costs if you cooperate with someone and the service is provided to someone else besides you.

* To work you need a small table, chair and 220V.

And, of course, it is desirable that the car is clean. Or there was some kind of rag to cover the dirty fender of the car. It is also necessary to have a rag for washing the throttle.

For reference: sawdust does not fly all over the space. Metal filings don’t go anywhere beyond the newspaper.