Review of reinforced right engine mounts for Lada Vesta

The pillow, also known as the Lada Vesta engine support, is a kind of stabilizer against detonation. Vesta car parts come in three types: left, right, rear additional - price from 1,400 rubles. The parts have a separate article number. Malfunctions: the main malfunction is a knocking sound from the support, usually knocking on the left. The left pillow is reinforced. It is important to adjust the engine mount correctly. During engine operation, useful energy is generated, which is used to set the Lada Vesta car in motion. The movement of the “insides” of the motor causes it to begin to create vibration. To “dampen” engine vibration, they place them on supports, which perform several more functions:

increase sound insulation of the engine compartment;
protect other parts and assemblies from damage;
stabilize the position of the motor as much as possible (if the amplitude of movement of the motor constantly increases, this will lead to wear of the connections);
protect the engine from the negative influence of the external environment (when the car passes obstacles, the suspension does not completely dampen rolling, and the struts act as additional shock absorbers).

This way, not only the engine is secured, but also the gearbox. His pillow on the Lada Vesta consists of three supports. On the sports model, an additional support enhances stabilization when accelerating and braking; its design is mechanical rubber-metal. Each pillow is a mechanism of two metal plates, between which there is elastic rubber.

At the most unexpected moment, strange sounds may be heard from under the hood - knocking, grinding, clanging, unusual for the normal operation of the car - perhaps this is just the knock of the Lada Vesta engine support. To recognize it and “cure” it correctly, let’s look at everything in order.

Rear cushion

This support is located at the bottom of the rear side of the motor. It is designed to reduce engine vibrations, as well as suppress knocking and dampen vibrations.

To dismantle it, you will first have to remove the protection of the power unit. When this is done, you need to unscrew the nut with an 18mm wrench while holding the bolt so that it does not turn.

Next, using the same 17mm wrench, unscrew the bolt marked in Figure No. 1, and then loosen the bolt marked No. 2. All that remains is to remove the bolt and remove the support.

When tightening, the prescribed torque is from 90 Nm to 120 Nm.

As you can see, replacing the Lada Vesta and X-Ray engine mounts yourself is quite possible and does not require a large number of tools.

Cushion from Fiat Ducato

This support is installed on diesel Fiat Ducato with a volume of 1.9 to 2.8, therefore it is designed for a larger engine weight. The torque of this engine is 300 Nm.

The seller assures that:

There is less vibration on it than on the original one.
Longitudinal movements of the motor are reduced.
The support fits properly without any modifications.
The pillow is easily replaceable.

1 year warranty!

vendor code

: 8450030109-PU

Price

: 4400 rub.

Buy

: link

Examination

It is not difficult to assess the need to replace the engine mounts of the Lada Vesta and X-Ray. This requires looking under the hood and visually inspecting the cushions for damage - breaks in rubber components, cracks in metal, etc.

In general, if you experience the following symptoms, you should consider replacing:

During a sharp start or when braking with the power unit, knocking noises are heard from under the hood;
Vibrations are felt while the engine is running;
The cabin fills with noise when driving.

The steps described below are relevant for two engines - VAZ 21129, as well as HR16, which were installed under the hood of the XRAY and Vesta models.

The sound of the engine mounts can be clearly heard in the video.

How to check engine mounts

The first sign of a strut malfunction is a knocking sound coming from the engine compartment. To pre-confirm this “diagnosis”, check for the following signs:

A hum is heard in the cabin when driving at high speeds.
When starting the Lada Vesta engine when cold, metallic tapping is heard in the cabin and strong vibration is felt.
When accelerating sharply or braking sharply, knocking noises are heard from under the hood.
A knocking sound from the left engine mount of the Lada Vesta is less common, but the final conclusion can be made by visually inspecting the cushions. A good rubber-metal part should be completely free of damage, so that the rubber does not make a knock when it comes into contact with metal - this way it does not absorb shocks.
Rock the engine and then press on each corner to identify the worn pad that needs to be replaced. Wait until it cools down before touching the motor.

The knocking sound of the upper engine mount on Vesta is common

It is important to point out the knocking of the Lada Vesta engine mount, which carries a greater load than the other two - this is the upper (or lower) cushion. It is located in the center and does not dampen the vibrations that come to the left or right edge of it, which is why it quickly becomes loose. The design can be modernized by adding a special pillow for the sports version.

Right pillow

Replacing the engine mount of the Lada Vesta and X-Ray begins with dismantling the mudguard of the power unit, after which the engine must be jacked up on the right side. The support itself is fixed to the spar using 3 bolts.

For dismantling you will need:

Using a 16mm wrench, unscrew the 2 bolts that secure the cushion to the body.
Remove the 2 bolts that secure the cushion to the power unit bracket. A TORX E12 bit is used for this.

When everything is done, you can remove the support.

Installation proceeds in the reverse order, and the bolts should be tightened in the range from 53 Nm to 71 Nm.

As for the right motor mount of the HR16 series, it has a slightly different layout.

Information letter No. 41-19

When owners of Lada Vesta cars contact with the defect “knocking in the right engine mount”, it is necessary to carry out diagnostic work in accordance with the application. The decision on the warranty of the declared defect is made based on the results of the work performed.

When replacing the “right engine mount” part 8450030109 in a LADA VESTA vehicle, AGO, register according to code 1001089-096-000 “right mount knock” in compliance with the requirements of regulations No. 9-16 and No. 83-18. In the descriptive part of the AGO, indicate the parameters for measuring the gaps between the bump stops and the side wall of the “right engine mount”.

according to the assessment of the declared defect, 0.2 n/h, (item 87003*1);
for lubrication of bump stops 0.05 n/h. (position 87001*1);
for replacing the right engine mount 0.3 n/h, (item 10130*1).

Hydromount from BMW

1. First version Stage 1

Engine mount 2495601 from BMW 3 (E46) was taken as a basis. The price is about 2800 rubles.

The peculiarity of the support is that it is hydraulic (the design uses not only metal and rubber, but also oil).

a) at idle, soft support: b) in motion, hard support: 1 – lower (expansion) chamber; 2 – throttling channel; 3 – upper (working) chamber; 4 – movable membrane; 5 – hydraulic support housing; 6 – damping fluid channel.

The difference between a hydraulic and standard support is demonstrated in the video:

The weight of the pillow is 1.76 kg.

Price:

5300 rub. (the LEMFORDER 2495601 support itself costs about 2800 rubles).

2. Modified version of Stage 2.

The hydraulic mount itself is essentially the same thing with the addition of a guitar of the same manufacturer. Due to this, we managed to save some money, so the price increased only for the silent block itself.

Silent block from jikiu be21058, there are no analogues.

Buy

: withdrawn from sale.

PRO.CAR support

First option: v1

Engine mounting rod with cushion and silent block assembly of our own design.

Price

: 3250 rub.

Buy

: link

Second option: V2 (hydro)

Price

: 6500 rub.

Buy

: link

Solving the problem yourself

Method No. 1

. You can also get rid of the knocking with a simple modification. It is necessary to lubricate the engine mount with silicone grease (WD-40 will not work) in the places where the rubber comes into contact with the metal housing. Photo of the upper right mount of the Vesta engine: Read more: Nissan Terrano engine where it is assembled After this, the knocking should go away:

Method No. 2

. Install 1-2 mm thick plates into the engine support (author of the photo). A similar solution is found among Renault owners.

Despite the fact that the VAZ 21129 engine (1.6 l, 106 hp) is also installed on the Lada XRAY, the upper right mount of the power unit has a different part number (on Vesta - 8450030109, on XRAY - 112107286R), accordingly, this problem is not observed on the crossover.

Let us remind you that knocking noises in the front part of Vesta can come from the brake caliper or suspension, for example, from anti-roll bars.

It is important to adjust the engine mount correctly. During engine operation, useful energy is generated, which is used to set the Lada Vesta in motion.

The movement of the “insides” of the motor causes it to begin to create vibration. To “dampen” engine vibration, they place them on supports, which perform several more functions:

increase sound insulation of the engine compartment;
protect other parts and assemblies from damage;
stabilize the position of the motor as much as possible (if the amplitude of movement of the motor constantly increases, this will lead to wear of the connections);
protect the engine from the negative influence of the external environment (when the car passes obstacles, the suspension does not completely dampen rolling, and the struts act as additional shock absorbers).

Left pillow

The left engine mount of Lada Vesta and X-Ray is fixed to the body with 4 bolts. Also, the cushion is attached to the gearbox bracket with 2 bolts. In turn, the bracket is fixed to the gearbox housing using 3 bolts.

Replacing the part is complicated by the fact that access to it is blocked by several components at once - the crankcase protection, the filter (air) mount, and the battery shelf. Therefore, to get to the support, all this will have to be dismantled.

First you need to unload the cushion, for which you slightly raise the gearbox using a jack.

Next, using a 16mm wrench, unscrew the 4 bolts that secure the left engine mount to the body.

Then, using an 18mm wrench, you need to unscrew 2 more bolts that secure the cushion to the transmission bracket. Once this is done, the part can be removed.

Assembly is carried out in reverse order.

How to change airbags on a Vesta car

In order to correctly adjust the engine mount, it is not at all necessary to go to an official dealer - contacting him will still result in the installation of exactly the same part.

Replacing the left engine mount

Before work, prepare and “clear” your way to the part: remove the battery, battery shelf, air filter mount and crankcase protection from under the hood; all components will have to be put aside and then reinstalled. The Lada Vesta cushion itself is attached to the side member on the body with four bolts, and to the gearbox bracket with two bolts. In order not to worry about the reliability of the structure, make sure for yourself that this bracket is attached to the gearbox housing with three bolts.

The replacement procedure is as follows:

Jack up the gearbox - this will reduce the load on the cushion, because the jack will “take” it.
Using keys 16 and 18, unscrew all the bolts that are responsible for fastening the pillow. When retightening the mounting bolts to the side member, stop at a torque of 53-71 Nm.
As for the mounting bolts to the bracket, their tightening torque is 90-120 Nm.
Remove the right engine mount.
Place the new part in place of the old one and tighten the bolts until you are sure that the structure is stable.

Replacing the right engine mount

Depending on the engine model: HR16 or 21129, the design of the right airbag of the Lada Vesta is different. In the VAZ 21129 engine, the right support is located next to the spar, to which it is attached with two bolts, and the engine itself, to which it is attached with three bolts.

The HR16 engine has a slightly different design, and the part can be found next to the fuel pipe and the gasoline vapor recovery system pipe. Three bolts secure its body to the motor, two more hold the bracket. This power unit support in the Lada Vesta is located on the right.

To replace, unscrew all the fastening bolts (depending on what kind of “engine” is in your car) with a 16mm wrench and a TORX E12 wrench and remove the pillow itself.

When you assemble the structure, tighten the bolts to a force of 53-71 Nm.

Replacing the rear additional engine mount

This part is installed below, on the rear side of the motor. The mounts are different on the two types of motors. On the 21129 engine of the Lada Vesta, it is “tied” into a large network of fasteners. So, on one side it is held in place by a bracket that is firmly supported by two bolts. On the other hand, it is attached to the subframe with a bolt and nut. On the HR16 engine, the fastening is simpler: on one side, one bolt secures the part to the subframe, on the other, two bolts secure it to the gearbox.

To replace, unscrew all bolts and remove the rear cushion. On motor 21129, be careful with the bracket fastening bolt - loosen it last and “catch” the pillow.

When putting the structure back together, tighten the bolts to 90-120 Nm.

You can do the work of replacing the power unit supports yourself. After tightening the bolts, check the strength and stability of all racks - they should not wobble excessively and should not stand “tight” - they should have a small amplitude of movement. Proper bolt torque will keep the motor in place and reduce vibration. To ensure the reliability of new parts, you can modify them by lubricating them (wd-40 will not work here).

Manufacturers and prices of analogues

The cushions for Lada Vesta engines are considered by owners to be not particularly reliable and are even being modified to increase the effect of vibration absorption.

Otherwise, there are no special attempts to create analogues, because the “craftsmen” have already drawn the attention of Vest owners to two modification options:

Came from Renault owners. It is necessary to create for each problematic pillow a metal plate 80 mm long, 38 mm wide and two grooves on the sides measuring 23 mm wide and 38 mm deep. The funny thing is that the X-Ray, which is in many ways similar to the Vesta, has the same engine (21129), but there are no problems with the upper right support - it’s just different.
If the part itself is still intact, it can be lubricated with silicone grease where the rubber hits the metal body.

Wear

The wear of the engine mounts is determined by the “crampedness” of those points of the metal body that take the blow, damage and the thickness of the layer itself - rubber will not dampen vibrations if its thickness is very small.

Reinforced upper right engine mount

Guarantee

: 6 months per bracket. (there is no warranty on the rubber product, it is replaceable)

The right airbag of the new model was tested over a mileage of 5 thousand kilometers; according to the test results, the following were discovered:

Some extraneous engine sounds are gone
Starting off and shifting gears is smoother
More precise installation holes in the pillow ebbs:
Low cost of the rubber cushion (IT IS REPLACEABLE, the support becomes repairable, and repairs are inexpensive)
Easy pillow installation
More reliable design, unlike the factory one

The quality of the rubber component in the cushion leaves much to be desired (but since it is replaceable and costs 300-700 rubles depending on the manufacturer, you can always replace it, which is cheaper than buying a new support assembly, article number 21080-1001031)
The support lacks any additional anti-corrosion coating