With a working engine, an impeccable gearbox, and a new chassis, the car will not go anywhere without a clutch. On the Lada Vesta this is one of the most important components. The task of a mechanical clutch is to connect the internal combustion engine and manual transmission, transmitting torque from the engine to the chassis, and also to separate them when changing gears (if you leave the gearbox input shaft rotating through the internal combustion engine, the gears will inevitably be damaged).
The Lada Vesta clutch on a manual transmission (mechanical) consists of one disc, engagement is made mechanically (dry, permanently closed type), the drive is hydraulic. The latter means that the unit is driven by fluid pressure and is adjusted manually (by foot) by the driver. In addition, the fluid system acts as a pedal booster. After all, simply pressing with your foot is not enough to set in motion the structure, which engages with the shaft while rotating several thousand revolutions. Therefore, there is no need for hydraulics on an AMT. Read the article to the end and you will learn the intricacies of this knot! Find out the problems that often happen and the clutch drive fails: the release bearing or the basket as a whole is broken. It's time to change, or adjust enough, precise adjustment is important for good operation of the unit. Replacement at the dealer at 9 TO.
Clutch replacement on Lada Vesta cars under warranty
You can replace the clutch on a Lada Vesta under warranty. A similar procedure can be carried out when the car breaks down during the first 20,000 kilometers. If it is proven that neither the driver nor third-party manipulations are involved in the malfunction of the unit, the service center will carry out repairs free of charge. After the replacement, the brakes will also be bled. This is a mandatory process for a hydraulic drive, since after the intervention air cavities (plugs) are formed in the system. For a robotic gearbox, another manipulation is carried out - adaptation.
Under warranty: replacement of the clutch mechanism is also included in the list of TO9 works for the Lada Vesta. Even if the unit is working, it will have to be replaced. There is no need to worry about this; the life of the part has come to an end anyway, and it will not last long.
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1 Topic from Andre-y 2016-09-04 12:43:27
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Topic: Vesta clutch adjustment
Hello to everyone who will come.
I’ve driven the West for 1000 km and I can’t get used to the clutch, just when I’m moving off, well, the clutch grabs at the very end, so you still have to release it very slowly and for a long time in order to start normally and not stall the engine, and keep the speed at least 1500-1700. Is it so hard for everyone to start moving and is it possible to adjust the clutch? Before this I had a Priora, even if I let go of the clutch more frequently, I still pulled away confidently, but in the West the engine stalled.
2 Reply from Fan 2016-09-04 19:07:49
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Re: Vesta clutch adjustment
I got into the Vesta in the cabin and immediately took off and drove off. You probably don’t have enough experience; you need to feel when the engine is choke. And don’t forget that Vesta, unlike Priora, has a hydraulic clutch, not a cable.
3 Reply from Andre-y 2016-09-04 19:42:03
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Re: Vesta clutch adjustment
I got into the Vesta in the cabin and immediately took off and drove off. You probably don’t have enough experience; you need to feel when the engine is choke. And don’t forget that Vesta, unlike Priora, has a hydraulic clutch, not a cable.
I went for a test drive, and somehow I didn’t feel any grip, so I sat down and drove off. And when I bought the Westa, I started driving, and that’s where it all began. Maybe during the test drive the clutch was adjusted a little better and grabbed in the middle, but on mine it was at the very end.
4 Reply from rvs 2016-09-04 21:55:00 (2016-09-04 21:55:29 edited by rvs)
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Re: Vesta clutch adjustment
Maybe during the test drive the clutch was adjusted a little better and grabbed in the middle
How can you adjust the hydraulic clutch drive? Someone invented the know-how.
5 Reply from Andre-y 2016-09-05 18:14:41
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Re: Vesta clutch adjustment
Essentially no one answers my question. Does anyone even ride West?
6 Reply from rvs 2016-09-05 20:41:53
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Re: Vesta clutch adjustment
Nobody actually answers my question.
What answer are you expecting? The clutch is adjustable only on a cable drive. Vesta has a hydraulic drive. What can be adjusted there?
7 Reply from Klyuv 2016-09-06 09:15:23
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Re: Vesta clutch adjustment
The clutch is adjustable only on a cable drive. Vesta has a hydraulic drive. What can be adjusted there?
Wait, what seems so strange and impossible to you? I don’t know, maybe specifically on Vesta they made the unit unregulated, but in general the free play is adjusted in the same way on hydraulically driven systems. There is no fundamental difference.
Clutch adjustment on Lada Vesta cars
Since the knot is constantly engaged/disengaged, it needs fine adjustment. Adjustments are made on site during installation. The driven disk is centered, the basket, and the release bearing are also centered - they must fit exactly into the splines of the flywheel and the input shaft of the gearbox.
In the future, you can adjust the position of the clutch cable so that the pedal is softer/harder, so that it responds better to the command (during operation, the cable may stretch).
On a Lada with a robotic gearbox, the clutch is regulated by special programs. Adaptation can only be completed at an official dealer. However, the service life of the AMT clutch is significantly longer than that of a manual transmission.
The clutch pedal of Lada Vesta, Largus, XRAY has failed: what to do?
When operating cars with a hydraulic clutch (Lada Vesta, Lada Largus, Lada XRAY, a number of Nissan, Renault models, etc.), when you press the clutch pedal, you can hear a loud click under the dashboard in the pedal area. After this, the clutch pedal falls to the floor. We will understand the causes of the malfunction, as well as how the design can be improved to prevent this problem from occurring again.
Cause of a failed clutch pedal
— a breakdown of the plastic retainer, which causes the clutch master cylinder rod to fly off the pedal axis. As a temporary solution, you can snap the rod into place to get there, but it will still fly off in the future.
At the service station you will be asked to replace the clutch master cylinder assembly with a new one:
- for Lada Vesta - article number 8450007300, price from 1200 rub.
- for Lada Largus - article 306107623R, price from 2200 rub.
- for Lada XRAY - article 306104118R, price from 1900 rub.
In order not to replace the part with a new one, it is proposed to modify the fastening. It will be cheaper and more reliable. It is not necessary to remove the clutch master cylinder.
- washer 10 (3mm thick);
- lock washer for 8 (or fixation washer with petals, article number 8200748573);
- lithol or other lubricant.
- Remove the rod from the pedal axle.
- Using pliers, bite off part of the plastic from the rod along with the latches.
- Lubricate the connection between the rod and axle with lithol.
- Install the washer and snap the lock washer into place.
The refinement process is also shown in the video:
After modification, it was also noted: the disappearance of creaking when squeezing the clutch pedal, and the pedal itself began to be pressed more softly and without rattling.
Have you ever experienced clutch pedal failure? How did you solve the problem?
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Analogs
The manufacturers themselves recommend 826818 VALEO 2180 for Vesta. Owners note that when using the model, the pedal becomes noticeably softer and the car starts easily. The note applies to the original set; fakes are often found. The spare part costs four thousand eight hundred rubles.
The original part of the Lada Vesta is not suitable for the 21129 engine in terms of power; it is designed for lower speeds, for example, such as 2112. For 106 horsepower and above, TS-00001321 would not be a bad match. Price – five thousand six hundred rubles.
Instructions, recommendations from experts
Often Lada Vesta owners complain about knocking and jamming when moving from first to second gear. Shocks are less common when turning on third speed. The reason for this behavior of the transmission is wear of the clutch sensor, violation of the gaps, and an increase in the free play of the pedal.
It is quite possible to adjust the unit with your own hands; there is no need to go to a workshop. The exception is the current factory warranty for the technical product.
Signs of clutch failure
The occurrence of malfunctions in the Vesta clutch mechanism is most often associated with improper operation (inexperience of the driver, aggressive driving style), an initial defect in the part, or breakdown of other components interacting with it. Of course, you will immediately notice problems with the clutch - the car will begin to behave differently:
- Gears are difficult to shift/do not work at all;
- Pedal too soft/hard;
- The car jerks;
- The device is activated in the upper position of the pedal.
There can be many reasons for this behavior of Vesta, and not all of them are related to the intermediate part between the internal combustion engine and the gearbox. Often the problem comes from the fluid system. There may be a malfunction of the brake master cylinder, clutch slave cylinder, damaged hoses, a simply low DOT4 level or an air lock. Such problems (especially problems with the cylinder of the unit) have exactly the same effect as the failure of the entire unit. The clutch consists of a housing cast together with the drive/pressure plate (basket) and the driven disc. The release bearing of the Lada Vesta acts on the petals of the basket, which, in turn, with the help of damper springs, press the inner disk away from the flywheel - the clutch opens. The bearing moves either under the influence of the hydraulic pedal drive (manually) - manual gearbox, or from the actuator (automatically) - manual gearbox. These parts can fail: more often - the release mechanism, less often - the basket body. Let's take a closer look at the most common “breakdowns”.
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If it clicks when you release or squeeze the clutch of a Lada Vesta in the cabin, the reason may be in the limit switch, pedal support or hydraulic cylinder design. Knocks in the engine compartment are more serious - the dealer is less likely to refuse to find out their cause, since this may indicate a malfunction of important parts - springs, release bearings, working cylinder.
As a temporary solution to a serious knock, drivers use the accelerator. You need to get used to this: when the clutch is released, the driver applies more gas and the knocking disappears. Typically, such actions indicate defects in the release support guide.
The clutch does not disengage (drives)
Often, the Lada mechanism does not fully release due to the hydraulic clutch release. This could be due to poor drive adjustment, leaking fluid system, or cable wedge. Such breakdowns are easily eliminated. It is much more difficult when one of the elements of the main device breaks down.
If the mechanism does not completely disengage, it means that something is holding it: a deformed driven circle, the formation of dirt, rust in the spline joint, flywheel wear, as well as a change in the shape of the release fork, weakening of the pressure plate. In all cases, the disk will need to be replaced.
Jerks when starting off
If you notice that the movement is accompanied by twitching, this is a serious reason to seek help from specialists. The Lada Vesta can shake for various reasons (for example, ignition failures), but if it is the clutch mechanism that gives the effect, we are talking about scrap parts. Obsolescence will never be accompanied by jerks, but destruction, the breaking off of pieces of metal, manifests itself this way. The presence of freely moving debris can cause great damage to other Vesta nodes. It is recommended to carry out repairs immediately.
Reviews
| № | Positive |
| 1. | Semyon (www.zr.ru): mileage 70,000 km, clutch is normal. |
| 2. | Andrey (autobann.su): the pedal travel is natural, not increased. I noticed that in severe frosts the PS becomes a little tight. |
| 3. | Georgy (lada-vesta.net): there are no comments on the DS, it works as usual. |
| 4. | Stepan (otzovik.com): standard pedal travel, 68,000 km of active drive without maintenance and repairs. |
| 5. | Vladimir (www.zr.ru): positive review, no comments. |
| 6. | Alexander (autobann.su): I have a pre-installed DS with a stock from Renault Logan, I heard that the quality of the French is better than the domestic one. |
| 7. | Mikhalych (https://forumvesta.ru): all standard units and components are working properly, without any violations. |
| 8. | Vitaly (lada-vesta.net): Lada Vesta is assembled with high quality, I have no complaints. |
| 9. | Timofey (otzovik.com): in four years of operation, I replaced the sensor once, I don’t consider it a defect or defect. |
| 10. | Stanislav (www.zr.ru): I use Lada myself and recommend it to others. |
| 11. | Gennady (autobann.su): mileage 85,000 km without repairs or equipment replacement. |
| 12. | Alexey (https://forumvesta.ru): soon 100,000 km, the condition of the car is a solid “4”. Much depends on the driver, how he observes the technical inspection deadlines. |
| Negative | |
| 13. | Konstantin (www.zr.ru): the Russian sensor served for two years, after which the rod failed. Replaced it with a French one from Renault Logan. |
| 14. | Vitaly (otzovik.com): the DS is not tightly fixed, periodically it turns out of the grooves. |
| 15. | Grigory (autobann.su): after a year of using the car, the DS flew. Fortunately, it was under warranty and was replaced free of charge. |
| 16. | Kirill (lada-vesta.net): I pumped the system several times, but to no avail. |
