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Lifan X50
Externally, the Lifan X50 is quite good, although there is a bit of plagiarism: you can feel the motifs of the Opel Mokka crossover in it. It's a pity, the dark gray color neutralizes the nuances of the body lines. The interior is also fifty shades of gray. Only the scarlet instrument cluster catches the eye.
A beautiful wrapper does not guarantee a tasty filling. Ergonomics will appeal only to fans of the aforementioned sensational novel who prefer an original pastime. The leatherette-covered driver's seat is set high and does not have a microlift. The side support rollers are too close together and rest unpleasantly on the lower back: after half an hour, the back begs for mercy. For drivers over 170 cm tall, part of the view is blocked by the ceiling falling towards the windshield.
The steering wheel has a good cross-section, but is trimmed with too slippery plastic, and the audio system control buttons are located almost on the rim—I accidentally pressed them a couple of times. Against this background, you forgive other strange decisions. For example, blind seat heating buttons at the end of the cushion or handwheels for adjusting temperature and airflow intensity sitting on a common axis.
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1 Topic by Verty 2014-05-23 13:10:27
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Topic: Lada Vesta body rigidity
According to some reports, the torsional rigidity of the Lada Vesta body will reach 15,000 Nm/deg.
Is this a lot or a little, with what to compare?
2 Reply from Jerry 2014-05-23 13:37:49
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Re: Lada Vesta body rigidity
The Lada Granta has a torsional rigidity of about 10,800 Nm/deg.
3 Reply from admin 2014-05-23 13:56:42
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Re: Lada Vesta body rigidity
15000 Nm/deg is a very good indicator
For example, other VAZ models:
VAZ-2105 sedan 7300VAZ-2106 sedan 6500VAZ-2107 sedan 7200VAZ-21083 3-door hatchback 8200VAZ-21093 5-door hatchback 6800VAZ-21099 sedan 5500VAZ-2115 sedan 5500VA Z-2110 sedan 8000VAZ-21102 sedan 8400VAZ-2111 station wagon 7400VAZ-21106 sedan 12200VAZ-21213 Niva 3-door hatchback 8900VAZ-2131 Niva 5-door hatchback 7400VAZ-2123 new Niva 5-door hatchback 12000VAZ-2120 Nadezhda 4-door minivan 10000
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Re: Lada Vesta body rigidity
For comparison, some foreign cars:
Audi TT Coupe - 19,000 Nm/degBMW E36 Touring - 10,900 Nm/degBMW X5 (2004) - 23,100 Nm/degBMW E90 - 22,500 Nm/degFord Mustang 2005 - 21,000 Nm/degPorsche 911 Turbo (2000) - 13,500 Nm/degVolvo S60 - 20,000 Nm/degAudi A2 — 11,900 Nm/degAudi A8 — 25,000 Nm/degFord Focus 3d — 19,600 Nm/degFord Focus 5d — 17,900 Nm/deg
5 Reply from Flin 2014-06-09 11:58:36
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Re: Lada Vesta body rigidity
What does this rigidity actually give? It seems to me that all these numbers are announced purely for marketing purposes.
6 Reply from Roller 2014-06-09 11:59:56
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Re: Lada Vesta body rigidity
What does this rigidity actually give?
Well, it affects the passability on uneven sections of roads, and as we know, many Vestas will be bought by people from the provinces, where the roads are all bad. That is, your body will not stupidly warp on bumps and holes
7 Reply from Flin 2014-06-09 12:01:27
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Re: Lada Vesta body rigidity
Well, it affects the maneuverability on uneven road sections
How? On the contrary, then, according to the logic, a car with a softer body will be more passable, the chkuzov will warp, and the wheels will reach the ground when hanging diagonally.
8 Reply from Guliver 2014-06-18 12:49:21
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Re: Lada Vesta body rigidity
How? On the contrary, then, according to the logic, a car with a softer body will be more passable, the chkuzov will warp, and the wheels will reach the ground when hanging diagonally.
9 Reply from 21″ 2014-06-18 12:51:52
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Re: Lada Vesta body rigidity
How? On the contrary, then, according to the logic, a car with a softer body will be more passable, the chkuzov will warp, and the wheels will reach the ground when hanging diagonally.
Is the body warping? After the diagonal, it will become askew, but on the highway it won’t get back up, so you’ll have fun kilometers in a slanted car
10 Reply from Samurai 2014-11-07 12:40:49
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Re: Lada Vesta body rigidity
This is all in theory, but in practice the metal may be different, softer and not of such quality, or when fine-tuning the body reinforcements they will decide to save money
11 Reply from Lumi 2014-11-07 13:57:54
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Re: Lada Vesta body rigidity
What does this rigidity actually give? It seems to me that all these numbers are announced purely for marketing purposes.
Here's the hp. Just marketing, it is more correct to measure engine power in kW. Regarding the rigidity of the body, it gives: 1) when hanging diagonally, the ability to freely open and close the doors (mostly for SUVs). 2) better behavior in corners
This is all in theory, but in practice the metal may be different, softer and not of such quality, or when fine-tuning the body reinforcements they will decide to save money
Worldwide conspiracy theory? The car body is designed by an engineer and when trying to replace one metal with another it can lead to: 1) poor-quality welded joints and, as a result, rapid destruction of welds and points with subsequent destruction of the body into parts. 2) loss of controllability, the car may begin to play in turns 3 ) to the destruction of the body when driving on uneven roads
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The engine lives up to its stated power—acceleration is brisk. It's a pity that after 4000 rpm his enthusiasm sours. The gears are selected well, the shifting mechanism is quite accurate - no problems. And everything is not bad with the brakes (Lifan was the only one in the test with rear disc mechanisms). The mediocre information content of the drive prevented us from receiving a higher rating.
The X50 is not afraid of broken roads, except that the vibrations transmitted to the steering wheel are too much. But you need to be careful: the engine oil pan and the gearbox housing are not covered with anything. And actively turning the steering wheel is contraindicated - during the test, the front wheels repeatedly clung to the arches.
In general, everything is more or less. With the exception of sound insulation, it seems to be completely absent. At any speed, be it 40 or 140 km/h, you can hear absolutely everything except your own voice. The engine growls, the gearbox shift mechanism clicks. But a pebble flew out from under the wheel into the arch and... I think I heard it plop onto the road.
Conclusion? It is quite possible to consume Chinese cars, seduced by colorful packaging and a pleasant price tag. This might work.
Orange mood
Operation in the city and beyond
My house has a separate parking lot, which is difficult to get into. For example, one of my previous cars, Ford Focus 2 pre-styling, climbed this obstacle with great difficulty.
Comparison of Granta's ground clearance with the Ford Kuga crossover
Also, in terms of ground clearance, the Granta has one advantage - it is a B-class, which means it is smaller in size than its main competitors. We save on comfort, but get a plus in cross-country ability.
Ground clearance of Lada Granta on tires 205/50 R15
- from the ground to the edge of the front bumper - 225mm;
- from the ground to the very bottom (protruding part of the pallet) - 185 mm;
- to the edge of the welded threshold at the front wheel - 220 mm;
- also at the rear - 220;
- to the edge of the rear bumper - approximately 370 mm;
- to the lowest point between the rear wheels (beams) - 240 mm.
Measuring rear clearance (recess for spare wheel)
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Lada Kalina Cross
After the “Chinese”, Kalina gives the impression of a finished product. And it looks bright - thanks to the orange color and the “cross” plastic body kit. The interior has also been refreshed with orange touches.
The seat is softly padded and has a short cushion, but it distributes the load like a human being and allows you to ride for a long time without getting tired. Seat height adjustment is not provided here either, but it is not particularly necessary.
You won't accidentally hit the buttons on the steering wheel - they aren't there. The rim of the steering wheel is a bit thin, but it fits comfortably in your hands, and that’s the main thing. What a review! Huge windows, impressive mirrors and a high seating position allow you to effortlessly control the situation around the car and not fork out for parking sensors.
Ways to lower Novaya Kalina:
Air suspension. A rather expensive option, but it allows you to adjust the vehicle’s ground clearance at any time. You are driving on a flat road - you lowered the car, you need to go over the speed bump - raised it. This option is quite rare, since large financial costs make the car much more expensive.
Suspension with adjustable ground clearance
. In this case, the stiffness of the shock absorbers can be adjusted, due to which the car lowers or rises. This method is also not cheap, which is why its popularity is not so high.
Such kits are quite cheap and they contain a complete set for lowering the car - shock absorbers and springs. As a rule, such kits are well designed for a certain level - “- 90 mm”, “- 120 mm”, so the car behaves well in dynamics.
This is the cheapest and most incorrect method - lowering springs are installed (most often they are simply cut off). In this case, the shock absorbers are usually left standard, as a result of which the car becomes poorly controlled.
Tires and wheels
. By installing non-standard low-profile tires and other wheels, you can achieve a significant reduction in ground clearance. Typically this method requires the installation of other springs and shock absorbers.
For the Lada Kalina line, ground clearance depends on the modification of the vehicle. The indicator in question is the distance from the asphalt or other surface to the bottom point of the car body. It has a direct impact on the vehicle’s off-road and highway performance.
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Driving does not evoke any vivid emotions. One hundred and six forces are almost completely dissolved in the transmission - the VAZ robot is thoughtful during shifts. However, this is a characteristic feature of all transmissions of this type. A modern automatic or dual-clutch transmission would solve the problem, but it is fantastically expensive.
And in terms of acoustic comfort, the Cross is far from ideal: the engine is well insulated, but the “noise” of the arches and bottom is unimportant, and extraneous sounds are heard through the door seals.
In general, you won’t get any fervent drive from Kalina. But how good it is in our “directions”, be it broken asphalt or a primer! Easily “smoothes out” small irregularities and allows you to confidently rush through the pits. I wish I could “untie” the steering wheel from the road! He, like Lifan, receives noticeable shocks.
As you understand, Kalina is also not without its shortcomings, but it leaves a slightly more subtle aftertaste, which is well worth the additional payment of 20 thousand rubles. And if you take a car with a manual transmission, then the price difference with Lifan will completely disappear.
Increasing lumen in simple words
There are drivers for whom the factory interval sizes do not inspire confidence. There are ways to lift a car. The rear section is raised using a spacer. These are metal plates installed under the struts on top of the spring. Installation by a professional driver takes about half an hour. Due to this method, the gap to the ground increases by three centimeters (cm).
When fixing from the front, difficulties will arise, since the front is heavier and it is inconvenient to crawl up. For this they also buy spacers, but different ones.
Technically, it is possible to increase ground clearance on any car; it is necessary to consider the feasibility of such an undertaking. The easiest way is to install larger diameter tires instead of standard ones. The model under consideration has the ability to install tires with a width from 195 to 215 mm, coupled with replacing discs according to the formula: “lower tires - larger disc diameter, and vice versa,” which is not recommended by the manufacturer. Moreover, installing disks of R16 size is not allowed.
The next option is to replace the standard shock absorber springs. Springs with a larger number of turns are installed. You will also have to change the shock absorbers themselves. This kind of tuning will make the suspension stiffer, but it was a little stiff from the start. The decision is up to the owner; there is no universal recipe.
Real driver reviews
On Internet forums, drivers leave reviews about the two main iron competitors. Only in a dispute is the truth born, Lada Kalina and the Lada Cross model are again fighting for primacy, which is better is up to you to decide. Here's how car enthusiasts mention the crossover:
- The orange notes of the Cross are annoying; this color does not refresh the interior, but “cheapens” it.
- Good engine power, excellent M gearing on bumpy roads.
- Comfortable seats. And the lack of lumbar support can be corrected by ordering anatomical covers.
- It overtakes other cars on the highway terribly. The best thing for avid racers is that the car will teach you how to drive while following the rules of the road.
- I'm pleased with the climate control, although we had to worry about setting the optimal temperature, everything comes with experience.
- I was unpleasantly surprised by the lack of foglights - there are very few of them in a snowstorm.
- I don’t share the enthusiasm associated with the suspension – nothing good. The struts located in the front part squeal on uneven roads.
- The windshield is extremely thin, a couple of stones flying from under the wheels - and a crack is right there.
- I've driven 7,000 km, no breakdowns so far, I'm happy.
Drivers' reviews of the Lada Kalina:
- Gasoline consumption is very economical - only 6.5 liters within the city, on the highway it is enough to fill up with 5 liters.
- Even if it breaks, it’s easy to fix - there are plenty of spare parts, you don’t have to wait weeks for the ordered part to arrive.
- I used to drive a Lanos, but the Lada Kalina is warmer and heats up faster in winter.
- The suspension handles the road surface too noisily.
- The car may seem small from the outside, but there's plenty of space inside. The electric power steering requires improvement; the plastic in the interior smacks of cheapness and poor quality, and is unreliable.
- Maneuverable car. But the front windows are very poorly ventilated. There is not enough power for 4th gear and when the car is loaded, it barely crawls. Sometimes it seemed that you could get to your final destination in the same way by screwing the wheels to an ordinary bathtub.
- 50,000 km went without a hitch, and after that it went on and on, creaks, grunts. Although I think that this is normal mileage for this class of car.
Appearance
Both models have different styles, however, most still admit that the X Line looks prettier and more youthful.
The Korean hatchback is aimed at the widest possible audience of potential customers - that is why it is made in this format. Stylish, forward-leaning body, but at the same time, without excessive aggressiveness.
Body panels without sharp breaks and transitions, a large glass area, light notes of the lower bumper trim and chrome radiator grille, a wide air intake, plastic lining that surrounds the car from below, stylish rims - thanks to all this the car looks very expressive.
The feed deserves special mention, with its long bridge between the elongated and narrow stops, the wing on top of the fifth door, and the rear bumper with reflectors and linings.
The creators of Kalina Cross took a different path. Apparently, they decided to break the stereotype of this model as a family car, but the results were mixed. In their quest, the designers became aggressive, clearly being impressed by the French Peugeots.
The result was a huge “mouth” of the air intake with a lining at the bottom, which occupied almost the entire center of the front bumper, so that there was very little space for the radiator grille. Not everyone liked this particular moment, since many consider this design move not very successful.
As for the rest, the sides and rear are made in a more familiar style. No sharp transitions, kinks or stampings. As in the case of its competitor, the car has a cross body kit on the bottom. There are also protective moldings on the doors, but unlike the KIA, in which they are located at the bottom, in Kalina these plastic elements are located almost in the center.
The rear is decorated with modest lights, a large glass in the fifth door, which is noticeably larger than that of the Korean hatchback, as well as a silver trim on the bottom of the rear bumper.
Of course, appearance is a subjective concept, but most still agree that in this regard the KIA Rio X Line is better than the Lada Kalina Cross due to its more stylish and balanced design. This is fully confirmed by the facts. AvtoVAZ marketers believed that the main buyers of the new product would be young people who love to travel, but in reality it became a car for summer residents.
How to change the appearance of a car
The easiest way to tune the appearance of the Lada Kalina Cross is to use accessories that are sold in large quantities in car stores. They are easy to install on Kalina Cross yourself.
Among them are various designs:
The use of lensed optics will not be superfluous. To complete the image of the new Kalina Cross, replacing the factory wheels with original alloy wheels, which will emphasize the aerodynamic lines of the body, will help.
Interior tuning
Tuning the interior of the Lada Kalina Cross, as a rule, begins with replacing noise and sound insulation
This is all the more important if you plan to install high-quality sound radio equipment
When updating the interior, experienced specialists advise using:
The comfort of the driver and passengers will also be improved by replacing the standard seats with sports seats. Of course, the number of seats in the back will decrease, but the interior will become more comfortable.
Designers from specialized tuning studios can also replace the interior trim, using high-quality materials (plastic, fabric, leather) for its finishing. Often the color unity of the body and interior does not leave the proper aesthetic impression. And here professionals can have their say.
Replacing the standard steering wheel with a sports steering wheel gives the interior a sporty look. It will significantly improve the driving comfort of the Kalina Cross and the aesthetic perception of the interior. At the same time, the sports steering wheel fits optimally into the overall style of the Lada Kalina Cross car.
If the owner of Kalina Cross is accustomed to luxury, then you can equip the interior with inserts in the color of, for example, mahogany. By replacing the plastic upholstery with fabric upholstery the color of old wine and complementing it with gilded fittings and a fragrance with the smell of expensive cognac and smoking sandalwood, you can satisfy any requirements of any, the most demanding and capricious customer.
Engine chip tuning
Chip tuning of the power unit is one of the ways to optimize the operation of the Lada Kalina Cross engine. At the same time, there is an opportunity, meeting the customer’s wishes, to improve the dynamic characteristics of the engine or reduce fuel consumption. Currently, special devices are used for this, which, when connected to the on-board computer, allow you to change engine operating modes depending on customer requirements.
Regardless of the customer’s wishes, properly performed engine tuning using such devices allows you to:
Technical tuning of components
When making a decision on technical tuning of Lada Kalina Cross components, you need to weigh everything carefully. As a rule, the operation of components under conditions of maximum loads leads to their rapid failure, so such work should be trusted only to experienced specialists who are capable of not only performing such work, but also guaranteeing long-term operation of the tuning components.
In general, technical tuning is subjected to:
By completing the entire tuning complex associated with improving the technical characteristics of the Lada Kalina Cross, instead of a standard factory car, you can get a powerful car that will surprise others with its capabilities. However, tuning requires a lot of time and financial investment.
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Information about another internal combustion engine - VAZ-21179
This power unit is the first of its kind for the Lada Vesta. Previously, AvtoVAZ did not use a 1.8 engine. There is a high probability that this particular power unit will be placed inside the long-awaited Cross station wagon, as well as in the sports version of the Lada Vesta, if only it goes into mass production.
This Lada Vesta engine is equipped with a five-speed automatic transmission. Its assembly is carried out using a selective method, and it itself has specific stages of gas distribution in dynamics. The fact of modernity and complete ease of operation determines that the Lux version is rationally equipped with 21179. This unit is the most powerful in the line, as evidenced by the technical characteristics of the engine:
- Power and volume are 122 hp. and 1.8 liters.
- In terms of toxicity, it belongs to Euro-5, 95-grade gasoline is recommended.
- Maximum torque is 170 Nm.
- Capable of operating 300 thousand km without failures or breakdowns.
New engine for VAZ-21179
It is quite natural that a higher power level and larger volume increase fuel consumption when compared with earlier ICE models. However, some Lada Vesta car owners value fast acceleration and a sharp start in their cars, so they ignore the extra fuel consumption.
Comparison of prices and options
Prices for Lada Vesta Cross with 1.6 and 1.8 engines differ insignificantly - 770 thousand and 795 thousand Russian rubles in the “Lux” configuration. Unfortunately, the 21129 engine is available exclusively in this version; if you are interested in richer modifications, you will have to fork out for the 21179 engine.
The equipment for these two cars is absolutely the same. As for safety, there are front and side airbags, child seat mounts, ABS, BAS, EBD, ESC, HAS, crankcase protection, alarm, headlights, door locks. The doors lock automatically and have an anti-theft device.
