Are wheel bolts from stampings suitable for Vesta castings?

Good evening! The question is, can bolts from alloy wheels be used on dies?

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Can. When purchasing it at the dealership, I put stamps on it for the winter and screwed it on with the original bolts.

and to find out more precisely, screw the bolt without the wheel into the hub, twist it so that it doesn’t touch anything, measure how much the bolt is screwed in, then insert it into a steel disk, look at the thread exit inside.

It’s definitely possible on a Priora, I’ve been doing this for the 6th year now.

Check it using the “POKE” method, it’s not that difficult, and most importantly it’s quick.

I put. This is not the first year.

The issue is the length of the bolt. I have longer bolts for casting. So I have 2 sets. Long for summer, short for winter.

Nothing will stick

I wouldn't risk it. There shouldn't be a problem at the front, but the rear pads may bend. I had this on a Prior, although the West’s drums and brakes are not VAZ ones. IMHO you should go to the salon and ask them, or maybe even ask them to unscrew it from the minimum configuration and compare.

Lada Vesta rolled off the assembly line in 2015. Belongs to the class of domestically produced sedans. This is where the general ends, and the specific features begin.

How was it before at AvtoVAZ?

Previously, the standard for passenger car tires at AvtoVAZ was within the range of 13–14 inches, rarely going beyond this range.

Wheels are 17 radius.

With the advent of Vesta, a lot has changed. At first we were talking about the fifteenth size, and after some time, the wheel size parameters reached the designations R16 and even R17. Most of all at the start there were attempts to change the car into 15-inch “shoes”, but AvtoVAZ quickly saw the future prospect.

Alternative wheel sizes for Lada Vesta

Installing wheels of a different size on a car is not a rare situation, and the reasons for this can be different - from restoring the car after an accident to tuning. Let's consider common acceptable options for installing non-standard size wheels on a Lada Vesta, the pros and cons of this procedure, as well as errors that can lead to deterioration of the vehicle's performance and even premature failure of some components.

The situation when a car enthusiast decides to “change” his car to new tires of the standard size, but manufactured by another manufacturer, without replacing the wheels, does not require any special comments. However, there are rules here: all tires must have the same tread profile or the same degree of wear (differences in the tread profile of pairs of tires on the front and rear axles are allowed).

The delights of big wheels

The model fulfilled one important immutable truth.

The larger the diameter, the higher the stability of the vehicle, its handling on the road, and other driving characteristics.

For this reason, an interesting version of Vesta appeared called “Concept”, which had R18 .

Since the wheels are of three sizes and so impressive, the driving characteristics of all are quite decent. Together with Belshina, the Russian Tolyatti manufacturer has worked hard to create special tires for its brainchild. Thanks to its special characteristics, improved driving capabilities are achieved.

Tire sizes

Wheel with standard tire size for Lada Vesta. The arrow indicates the tire size.

• 175/70/R15;
• 205/60/R15;
• 185/60/R16;
• 195/55/R16;
• 175/55/R17;
• 195/50/R17.

At first glance, it may seem difficult to understand such a set of numbers. It must be taken into account that we are talking about common tire sizes provided for the Lada Vesta. Not everything is so hopeless. Let's try to get to the heart of the matter.

Tire sizes

The first digit, for example, in the fourth position is “195”. This means that the width of the tire itself is 195 millimeters, or 19.5 centimeters. The next combination “55” informs about the tire profile and says that we can’t get around without a calculator. To calculate the profile or height of the rubber, you need to calculate 55% from 195 millimeters. 195x55% = 120.25 - the rubber profile is a little more than 12 centimeters.

Everything is clear with the last number - the diameter of the tire rims is in inches. 2.54x16=40.64 – the diameter will be almost 40 and a half centimeters. To be sure, you can measure it with a tape measure. In addition, there are additional notations after the above encodings. It can be written like this: 195/55/R16 88N or 195/55/R16 88T.

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The bolt pattern is not visible; the bolts are hidden behind a decorative plug.

16 6x16'' 4x100 DIA - wheel bolt pattern on Lada Vesta.

Now we've reached the most interesting part. What kind of word is this incomprehensible babble? We are talking about the principle of fastening wheels, in this case, stamped steel or light alloy wheels with dimensions 4x100.

Here “4” is the number of fasteners and bolts. “100” is the diameter of the circle along which the fastening elements are located. The bolt pattern is exactly the same as that of the Renault Logan, which also uses 4x100.

Matching alloy wheels

On the basic configurations of the Lada Vesta, as an additional option, wheels with the following markings 16 6x16'' 4x100 DIA from K&K are installed; in the Lux configuration, alloy wheels from the same manufacturer can be installed.

We are talking about a leader in today's Russian market, which manufactures its products using high-pressure casting. Installing wheels of a different non-standard size will not be difficult, and this method is used quite often.

Wheels from other Lada models, even if the diameters match, will not fit at all , since they have two significant differences:

• the holes for the wheel hubs of Vesta are 1.6 mm larger;
• the diameter of the bolt circle will be 4x98, not 4x100.

Some Kulibins try to bore holes and re-drill. Such manipulations lead to incorrect alignment and runout of the disk during rotation.

Selecting alternative drives

What might be suitable? As has probably already become clear, the best choice is standard wheels and tires, which are fitted, designed, and adapted for this model. If you want exclusivity, then responsibility for the consequences falls on the owner of the car. With such a decision, it is important to carefully calculate everything.

Disc offset

ET=ab/2, where a is the distance between the inner plane of the disk and the plane of application of the disk to the hub, b is the total width of the disk

When purchasing, you need to take into account the width of the element itself, as well as how much it will protrude beyond the dimensions of the car.

If the value is less than the standard value, while maintaining the required width, then stability will be better, but the load on the hub bearings will increase greatly. They will quickly fail and can cause serious damage.

Acceptable values ​​for reducing this indicator are allowed by 5–7 millimeters . Our bolt pattern will be critical, it must be exactly the same, otherwise installation will also be impossible. It will be a waste of time and money.

Delivery to regions

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3. After receiving the money (usually money arrives instantly), we will almost immediately deliver the order to the transport station.

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The dimensions of the wheel bolts for this Lada model are selected taking into account the type of wheel, length, diameter, thread pitch and material of manufacture.

Basic dimensions of wheel bolts on Lada Vesta:

As a standard, Lada Vesta is equipped with bolts with metric threads, diameter 12 (mm), thread pitch - 1.5 (inches) and radius between bolts 100 (mm).

Characteristics of Lada Vesta wheel bolts:

• External thread diameter: 12 (mm);
• Thread pitch: 1.5 (inch);
• Number of bolts: 4 (pcs);
• Radius between bolts: 100 (mm);
• Disc offset: 60.1 (mm).

Important: the number of revolutions when tightening the disc bolts should not be less than 7-9. If the speed is lower, the risk of losing a wheel while driving increases.

Years of release: currently in production.

Thread M14 x 1.5 means:

M14 – thread diameter 14 (mm); 1.5 — thread pitch (distance between adjacent threads).

To fasten wheels or disks, 2 main types of fasteners are used:

- wheel bolts; -wheel nuts.

Thread M14 x 1.5 means:

M14 – thread diameter 14 (mm); 1.5 — thread pitch (distance between adjacent threads).

The diameter of the circle on which the mounting holes for Lada Vesta are located.

1. The distance between the vertical plane of symmetry of the wheel and the plane of application of the disk to the hub.

Caution: the above data are the official figures of the manufacturer, however, please note that the information is for reference only and does not guarantee absolute accuracy.

Hello, my dear reader!

I decided to protect the wheels from freebie lovers. The most accurate option is “secrets”. Previously, I only dealt with nuts, but suddenly there are bolts! But what kind of bolts are needed for Vesta? M12 x 1.5. They fit perfectly. Detailed parameters in the photo.

It's starting to get warmer outside, and you need to change your tires from winter to summer. As a rule, I change the whole thing - wheels, winter tires on original stamps, summer tires (original Pirelli) on Chinese-made NZ alloy wheels - 15 in diameter. Vesta inherited from Renault 4 bolts M12x1.5, but Renault was equipped with 14 in diameter, and Vesta uses tires from 15 to 17. For such sizes, I think 4 bolts are not enough, or right next to each other - competitors use five fastening points. I rolled summer tires on alloy wheels for 2 seasons using the original bolts, in the fall, when unscrewing them, I counted the number of threads on which they are held, the result did not suit me, the front wheels were held on by about 4.5 turns, the rear wheels by about 8.5. The number of turns on the front ones turned out to be less due to grooves in the brake discs, and I consider it insufficient. It was decided that the bolts should be selected longer - taking into account the thread pitch of 1.5 and the length of the standard ones (24mm), I decided that at least 7 turns would be enough, so I chose a thread length of 28 mm. The Chinese “Wheel Fasteners”, “Matrix” and the Italian “Bimecc” turned out to be available for order, so I settled on it,

its catalog number is C17A28. (I love Italian things). As a result, it turned out that the front wheels are screwed on with at least 7.5 turns, the rear wheels with about 12 turns. I was afraid that the bolts would touch something because of their length, but everything is fine, they don’t interfere with anything or touch anything.

I cover the bolt caps with caps with catalog number 321601173A, which were purchased inexpensively on AliExpress (the search engine finds them in AliExpress by number), and the emblem of the central wheel cap NZ was also replaced using a Lada sticker.

Note: The tightening torques for engine parts are given in more detail here

Note. For other threaded connections, the tightening torques are as follows: M6 - 10 Nm; M8 - 25 Nm; M10- 50 Nm; M12 - 105 Nm; M14 - 180 Nm.

Lada Vesta rolled off the assembly line in 2015. Belongs to the class of domestically produced sedans. This is where the general ends, and the specific features begin.

What wheels were installed on different versions of the car?

Some vehicle models have been re-released several times. Therefore, the type of discs, bolt pattern, and other characteristics may differ quite significantly. But Lada Vesta differs from many vehicles in this category due to its novelty.

Therefore, purchasing and installing cast or stamped wheels will not be difficult. But this process has its own characteristics and subtleties. All of them need to be dealt with carefully. This is the only way to prevent standard errors and other problems.

Parameters of wheels installed by the manufacturer on the car directly at the factory:

• tire size, as well as indices of its load-carrying capacity:

• 185/65 R15 88h;
• 195/55 R16 91h;

• disk size:
• rim width, inches – 6j;
• rim offset, mm – 50;
• tire pressure at different loads:
• partial load, atm – 2.2;
• full load, atm – 2.1.

It is important to carefully read all the parameters of the disks being installed. This will allow you to avoid standard mistakes made when choosing new wheels. According to the manufacturer's statements, it is possible to install both cast and conventional stamped disks - at your choice. But it should be remembered that the driving performance of the car changes depending on this.

When installing alloy wheels, the maneuverability of the vehicle will decrease slightly. Since the weight of such wheels is often 2 times more than conventional stamped ones. At the same time, it is much more difficult to damage alloy wheels. A car equipped with these looks much more stylish and presentable.

Stamped discs will cost an order of magnitude cheaper. They are made of relatively thin sheet metal. At the same time, their use significantly reduces the load on the vehicle’s chassis. The car also becomes much more maneuverable. Consumption is reduced.

The choice of a particular type of disk is a personal decision. It is necessary to take into account your own needs and the mode of operation of the vehicle.

conclusions

Installing non-standard tires and replacing wheels for Vesta is quite a difficult issue. If an alternative is found, then it is better to “measure everything seven times” before “cutting it off.” Arguments about the need to improve the style and performance of the car are not decisive. Safety and good road stability are the most correct selection criteria.

185/65 R15 88T, H

195/55 R16 87, 91T, H

* Speed ​​indices: T – up to 190 km/h, H – up to 210 km/h. Load capacity indices: 88–560 kg; 91–615 kg.

In September 2016, the “Operating Manual for LADA Vesta dated 09.09.16” was posted on the official website, in which an addition to Table 1 appeared (more about this):

Standard disk sizes

It is important to familiarize yourself with the parameters of the standard installed disks in advance. Today, regardless of body type, year of manufacture and other factors, it is necessary to use wheels with the following characteristics:

The specified parameters are relevant for sedan, station wagon, and Cross cars. At the same time, the rim width differs slightly for these versions. For the sedan and station wagon, the width will be 6J in inches. At the same time, for the Cross version - 6 ½ J. The reach parameters are also different:

• for a station wagon – 50 mm;
• for Cross – 43 mm.

A standalone model is the version designated Sport. The diameter of the central hole, the distance between individual holes and other characteristics are the same. However, the offset may vary. Also, discs with 5 holes rather than 4 are required. It is important to select the right tires. This is the only way to avoid various problems during operation.

Parameters of standard bolts

A distinctive feature of this car is the use of bolts rather than studs with wheel fixing nuts. Sometimes it happens that standard fasteners need to be replaced for some reason. In this case, before purchasing, you need to familiarize yourself with the characteristics of the bolts. Otherwise, serious trouble may arise.

For example, bolts with an inappropriate taper can cause spontaneous unscrewing. As a result, the disk can become disconnected while driving. Which threatens a serious accident. As a result, it is advisable to avoid such situations. Choose the right bolts and tighten them well. Standard parameters of standard elements:

• cone inclination angle, degrees – 60;
• edge width, mm – 17;
• thread length, mm – 28 mm;
• thread pitch, mm – 1.1 mm;
• total length, mm – 56 mm.

The cost of 1 bolt can range from 150 to 250 rubles - this applies to original ones. There is also a wide selection of different analogues on sale. Before purchasing such products, it is advisable to familiarize yourself with all their characteristics. It is also advisable to study reviews. Only then purchase.

Some drivers opt for sets with secret locks. These are found on sale quite often. When using new bolts, it is advisable to lubricate the threads with a special graphite lubricant. This will avoid souring and prevent various problems and difficulties. It is also important to carefully monitor the security key.

Maximum and minimum possible parameters of non-standard disks

The use of 15 and 17 inch wheels is allowed. It is only important to be careful when choosing tires. It should be noted that the remaining parameters, excluding the width, must be strictly observed (central hole, number of holes for bolts and the distance between them, etc.). Only the width of the disks differs. It is also possible to install the disk at 16.

It is theoretically possible to install larger wheels, but this is not advisable. It is allowed to temporarily install wheels with a diameter of 14 inches. But the use of wheels whose parameters differ significantly from the standard ones for which the vehicle is designed can lead to decreased handling and other problems.

In addition to standard tires, it is allowed to use others recommended by the manufacturer:

for sedan and station wagon:

The installation process does not have any differences. You can use tires with different speed ratings - both T, designed for 190 km/h, and H, designed for 210 km/h.

Before purchasing new disks, it is advisable to familiarize yourself with all the intricacies of selection and installation. If the purchase is made via the Internet, it is worth studying the photo. This way you can determine whether a particular type of wheels is suitable for your car.

Delivery to regions

• Delivery of an order worth over 3,000 rubles is free if the delivery cost does not exceed 500 rubles; in other cases, delivery of goods is paid upon receipt of the goods. If the delivery cost exceeds 500 rubles, we make a discount of 500 rubles on the delivery cost.
• Delivery to the transport company is FREE.
• The timing, cost and method of delivery depend on the weight, dimensions and cost of the ordered product.
• Delivery options can be selected by the online store manager.

Orders are processed daily from 08:00 to 20:00 (local time).

Order of shipment to regions of the Russian Federation:

1. Place an order in the online store (on the website or by calling 8-800-234-96-34).
2. Pay for the cost of the goods in any convenient way (card, Yandex.Money, QIWI, Webmoney, by bank receipt).
3. After receiving the money (usually money arrives instantly), we will almost immediately deliver the order to the transport station.

Online store managers will help you choose the cheapest and fastest method of order delivery; you can trust our specialists who have studied all the nuances of pricing of transport companies.

We send parcels to: Russian Post, Business Lines, PEC, SDEK, KIT, Energy, Boxberry and other companies. You will find detailed information on deliveries on the delivery page.

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Applicability:

Igor

The order was placed quickly, confirmation of product availability came just as quickly. In appearance and quality, I was satisfied with the product, BUT I went to buy it blind. No photographs, no manufacturer's article, only internal code.